Nadja Spiegelman

I want to go back because we have to sort of near the end, but I really just want to talk about Tyra.

A lot of the discourse around this documentary has been about whether Tyra herself gets what reality TV calls the villain at it, whether she comes off as the villain or whether she acquits herself well.

And what do you think?

Is Tyra Banks the villain here?

Yeah.

She has this constant defense of just like, well, it was a different time.

No one knew.

How could I have known it was a different time?

That doesn't come off as that doesn't really convince eventually.

But but she does have this one moment or maybe it's a few moments of the documentary where she has this defense that is basically like.

The audience wanted drama.

And that, to me, is actually the most convincing argument that she has.

It's like, I'm not the villain.

America's the villain.

I'm just giving America what it wants, and I'm good at that.

What do you guys make of that?

Yeah, I think you're right.

It's the hypocrisy of it.

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