Nadja Spiegelman

Just what do you think?

Despite the show's flaws, do you think that it played a role in bringing about such change?

And do you think that any thing actually has changed?

Like are the messages that your daughter is getting different from the messages that you got?

What has changed and why?

I'm glad that we're in a time now where you can feel that anger.

I think that's sort of where I want to go now is like, have these things actually changed?

Because Jess, in your essay, you write about how we had a body positivity era.

We had that.

But now we're back into a time when skinny is queen, when diet culture is replaced by JLP1s, when conservative politics are crowning hyper femininity as the ideal.

Are we just stuck in the same cycle with new labels or are we somewhere new?

Yeah.

And kind of as someone who's like still working with like casting agents, gatekeepers as part of your job.

Do you think that under Trump things are looking different or do you think this is a moment, a blip?

Where do you think we're at in the cycle?

Yeah.

I'm hearing you say someone who was really wanting to talk about their perspective, the specificity of their background and beliefs was really celebrated during the Biden administration.

I was going to say, what about how people look?

Has that changed?

Yeah.