Nancy Grace

So please don't run up to his apartment with pitchforks and torches.

Please don't.

That said, you still have to look at it, Iker.

You can't ignore it.

Okay, what about it, Fitz?

Let me see, Fitz.

You know what you just did?

You just gave me a night terror.

I'll be dreaming about this tonight because this fits right in with S.O.D.

Some other dude did it, Defense.

When we finally do catch the perp, and it will be a man, if not more than one man, they're going to say, hey, look, this Pima County Sheriff, he's a kidnapper right under your nose.

Maybe he did it.

That could get one juror to veer off the path into the weeds.

See what I'm saying?

This is bad.

Thank you, Joe Scott Morgan, for being with us tonight, forensics investigator and professor of forensics at Jacksonville State University.

Joe Scott, I want to talk about the evidence outside Nancy Guthrie's front door.

We've seen a lot.

We've seen the mat, which I know you want to talk about.

We've seen the rocks, the debris, the foliage on top of the mat.