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LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“The Pando Problem: Rethinking AI Individuality” by Jan_Kulveit

Then there's grafting.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“The Pando Problem: Rethinking AI Individuality” by Jan_Kulveit

You can take a branch from an apple tree, graft it onto another apple tree's trunk, and voiler.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“The Pando Problem: Rethinking AI Individuality” by Jan_Kulveit

One tree, two sets of genes.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“The Pando Problem: Rethinking AI Individuality” by Jan_Kulveit

Most commercial apples are actually grown this way, with the rootstock from one variety supporting the fruit-bearing branches of another.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“The Pando Problem: Rethinking AI Individuality” by Jan_Kulveit

Is the resulting frankentree one individual or two?

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“The Pando Problem: Rethinking AI Individuality” by Jan_Kulveit

With mushrooms, you see individual mushrooms, individual fruiting bodies popping up.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“The Pando Problem: Rethinking AI Individuality” by Jan_Kulveit

but it makes sense to conceptualize what you see as above-ground organs of a vast underground network of fungal mycelia, which can cover thousands of acres.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“The Pando Problem: Rethinking AI Individuality” by Jan_Kulveit

In a very real sense, that entire tangled mat is a single organism.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“The Pando Problem: Rethinking AI Individuality” by Jan_Kulveit

You may be wondering why I'm describing these biological curiosities.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“The Pando Problem: Rethinking AI Individuality” by Jan_Kulveit

My answer is that individuality in AI systems is often more similar to individuality in plants than in humans.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“The Pando Problem: Rethinking AI Individuality” by Jan_Kulveit

Or at least is comparably alien.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“The Pando Problem: Rethinking AI Individuality” by Jan_Kulveit

If you ask what that something growing in Pando is, there isn't an obvious unique answer.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“The Pando Problem: Rethinking AI Individuality” by Jan_Kulveit

Different considerations would lead to different answers.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“The Pando Problem: Rethinking AI Individuality” by Jan_Kulveit

For example, all Pando trees share the same code base.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“The Pando Problem: Rethinking AI Individuality” by Jan_Kulveit

From a teleological perspective, all the trees share the same purpose, to help the reproduction of their genes.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“The Pando Problem: Rethinking AI Individuality” by Jan_Kulveit

But you could also plant a disconnected clone at some other place.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“The Pando Problem: Rethinking AI Individuality” by Jan_Kulveit

Would it count?

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“The Pando Problem: Rethinking AI Individuality” by Jan_Kulveit

Or you could graft a genetically different aspen branch onto a pando trunk.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“The Pando Problem: Rethinking AI Individuality” by Jan_Kulveit

Would it become part of pando?

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
“The Pando Problem: Rethinking AI Individuality” by Jan_Kulveit

Yet the phenomenological view of each trunk as an individual also has practical merit.