Nat Towson

Yeah, how it spools off.

Interesting, interesting.

A really long line.

That's a very 1990s solution.

Just give the phone a longer cord.

Take it into the other room, you know?

I did not know about that.

And so people keep adapting.

Sorry, just want to jump in one thing because you guys are both military geeks in a very interesting way, and I just want to provide a small civilian perspective, which is the idea of a drone landing in a civilian population and people surrendering – or in a civilian area and people surrendering to –

Robocop is terrifying.

So I'm just curious, like, what's your perspective?

I understand you guys have a lot of military experience.

So I'm just saying this as an average civilian, like, all of this innovation is interesting.

And I always also fear the imperial boomerang and that these things will end up in American cities that will be patrolled by autonomous robot police or military presence.

Obviously, this technology is advancing rapidly no matter what.

And we're talking a little bit about the Russian and American overwhelming force strategies versus this very targeted drone warfare strategy.

Is there a degree to which...

You know, I'm very much of the, as someone who didn't serve in the military, I'm very much of the opinion that there are no good wars, that war is absolutely a last resort.

And I also understand that military conflict is sometimes inevitable.

Is there any way, and maybe I'm being too optimistic, but is this leading to a style of war that would mean fewer civilian casualties?