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And so they may not be under the poverty line, but in many ways, their costs are just as high.

So they're functionally living at the same way that people on assistance are living.

Not exactly, but the costs are still extremely prohibitive for people of that still lower income bracket that doesn't qualify for assistance.

I think that's also a good lesson on messaging, right?

Like, obviously you want to, uh, speak to people in language that they can understand.

And sometimes party affiliation or political beliefs necessitate adjusting that.

But I also think, I think it's much more important to have a core system of beliefs and understanding of the thing that you're talking about that you can, I don't say rattle off.

That sounds, you know, uncaring, but that you are comfortable to speak to from any angle because it's,

Ultimately, if you believe what you believe, you can't be undermined by rhetoric.

You can only be undermined by arguments, right?

And I think that's a really good strategy because you don't want to appear two-faced, right?

And you do mean what you say.

So you can...

get really lost in trying to speak the way that your audience wants to hear.

Or you do need to say things that your audience is capable of understanding, is capable of processing, or it is possible to go too far and turn things off.

But I think ultimately you're right that the priority should just be, this is what I believe.

This is what I would say to anyone.

You need to hear it.

Yeah.

And this is a conservation from that bill?