Nat Towson

that Vance is maybe trying to distance himself from the administration.

Do you see any of that playing?

I mean, I don't know if you saw this, but he spoke out, um, against conflating anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism or conflating rather more specifically creating hatred, conflating hatred of Jewish people with, I think he said Jew hatred, which is really not the phrase I would have used, but he was like, it's, he was saying conflating hatred of Israel with conflating hatred with Jews is, you know, is anti-Semitic is the raw is, you know, is inaccurate.

If, uh,

Everything is anti-Semitic.

Nothing is anti-Semitic.

Very strange to hear that coming out of the vice president.

And it's just gotten me looking at his public appearances more recently where he does seem to be tracking to a different direction.

I'm not saying right or left, but he's creating space between him and the administration.

Do you see any of that panning out in the negotiations?

Yeah.

And I would say just two quick points.

One is that the Trump MAGA movement, while they are anti-globalist, are also largely anti-Semitic.

There are a lot of anti-Semites in that group.

I mean, that's part of why Marjorie Taylor Greene.

I mean, it's one of the horrific consequences of the Democrats being compromised by AIPAC for years and years is that.

they have been incapable of criticizing israel to the point where they are getting scooped on it by far-right republicans who are synced up with anti-semitic conspiracy theories like there was a way of negotiating with israel of of criticizing israel without being anti-semitic of course however i think if you scratch just below the surface of a lot of these anti-globalists it's a valid criticism that they're poor that you know we're all poor while our money's going to israel

But then the second sentence out of a lot of those people's mouths is about an international cabal of Jews or whatever specific hatred or conspiracy theory they have or just specific bigotry towards Jewish people.

So I do think it is in many ways like largely motivated by anti-Semitism on the right.

But there are a lot of people who are anti-globalist.