Natalie Berbamed

Welcome back to Infamous, everybody, a Campside Media and Sony Music Entertainment production.

I'm Vanessa Grigoriadis.

So this week, we are going to be talking about, I would say, the greatest true crime case of the past few years.

And I don't mean to say that it isn't also a tragedy because somebody was killed.

If you haven't been following it, the reason I think it grabbed so much attention is that it was not only about whether or not Karen was culpable for killing her boyfriend, John O'Keefe.

on a very drunken, very confusing night in the middle of a snowstorm, but also about what we actually think about police today.

Do we trust them to run a case where one of their own people are killed?

On top of that, you had that Karen is so Boston, she's so there with the accent, with the forthrightness, but she's also in some ways playing the media.

And it really is a case of how much things have shifted between back in the old school days where somebody who was on trial for murder wouldn't even talk to a journalist.

She has given so many different interviews.

Vanity Fair, I believe it was Boston Magazine.

There's an entire documentary where she's letting the filmmakers just be there for every moment of her defense.

There is no one that is a better storyteller of this case than Rebecca Lavoie, who we are going to have on now to talk to us about what she thinks about all I just said, why this case gripped the nation, why it is just the stickiest thing ever.

They're like people in their 40s.

Some of them have kids.

Some of them don't have kids.

But they're partying.

Yeah.

Tragic.

Right.