Chapter 1: What is the Karen Read case about and why is it significant?
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as you may know if you follow true crime. But her civil trial is ramping up now. The family of John O'Keefe has sued her. And even though it hasn't had anything like the coverage that her criminal case had, civil trials have a much lower burden of proof, 51%. So what'll happen there is anyone's guess. Plus, Karen herself has brought civil charges, which is very rare.
Chapter 2: What happened on the night of John O'Keefe's death?
Usually, defendants are the ones who get sued in civil cases, like the way Ron Goldman's dad sued OJ for damages in civil court after OJ was found innocent in criminal court. But Karen's filed a civil suit saying she was framed, which is unusual and definitely bolsters the Free Karen Reid movement.
So we thought it was a good moment to go back to this case and all its ins and outs, from what it says about how we feel about police, to women accused of crimes, to the very specific, very Massachusetts culture it's steeped in. Let's get to it.
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And I'm Natalie Berbamed.
So this week, we are going to be talking about, I would say, the greatest true crime case of the past few years. And I don't mean to say that it isn't also a tragedy because somebody was killed. If you haven't been following it, the reason I think it grabbed so much attention is that it was not only about whether or not Karen was culpable for killing her boyfriend, John O'Keefe.
on a very drunken, very confusing night in the middle of a snowstorm, but also about what we actually think about police today. Do we trust them to run a case where one of their own people are killed? On top of that, you had that Karen is so Boston, she's so there with the accent, with the forthrightness, but she's also in some ways playing the media.
And it really is a case of how much things have shifted between back in the old school days where somebody who was on trial for murder wouldn't even talk to a journalist. She has given so many different interviews. Vanity Fair, I believe it was Boston Magazine. There's an entire documentary where she's letting the filmmakers just be there for every moment of her defense.
There's never been a case that I've seen that's divided a community like this case has.
It's become a civil war in Boston. On both sides of the argument of people who are either sure Karen Reid did it or think Karen Reid didn't do it, John O'Keefe rarely comes up.
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Chapter 3: What are the details surrounding Karen Read's acquittal?
He's supposed to be the focus here. This is justice for John O'Keefe. And it has completely become the Karen Reid show.
There is no one that is a better storyteller of this case than Rebecca Lavoie, who we are going to have on now to talk to us about what she thinks about all I just said, why this case gripped the nation, why it is just the stickiest thing ever.
Yeah, Rebecca is a journalist and podcaster. Welcome to the show, Rebecca. Thanks so much for having me. Vanessa has already introduced Karen Reed. Her boyfriend was Boston police officer John O'Keefe. What do we know that happened on that night? It was late January 2022. Yeah.
This really is... I think the most Boston case that's ever Boston. I mean, there's so many things about it. Most of the story sort of unfolds in Canton, Massachusetts, which is a town outside of Boston, kind of like a wealthy suburban enclave. A lot of upper middle class blue collar people, upper middle class professional people. It's a really interesting town.
And it's a small enough town where folks who went to high school there and who still live there are actually people that other people in town know. They get elected to local office, for instance, or they're high ranking police officers in town, or they just have family name recognition.
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Chapter 4: How did the community react to the case and its implications?
The characters in this case are those people. So what happened that night was that Karen Reed and her boyfriend, John, were invited out to basically drinks at a bar in Canton, Massachusetts. They actually went from one bar to another with members of this family, the Albert slash McCabe family. and with a DEA agent named Brian Higgins. So they're all at the bar together.
They're all at this place called The Waterfall together, the second destination. And somebody says at some point, come back to our house. Now, that house belonged to Brian Albert, who was another Boston police officer, a Boston police detective who'd been involved in many high profile cases, his wife, Nicole. And she was also invited by Brian Albert's sister-in-law, Nicole's sister, Jen McCabe.
The idea was they were all going to go back to the Albert house and have some more drinks, hang out, etc. Karen didn't know these people very well. Karen says that she wasn't 100% sure they were welcome at the house. She thought maybe they just invited them to be nice. She didn't know. They then drive back to 34 Fairview in Karen's SUV.
And this is where the story sort of diverges from what we know, know, know, to what we think, to what the FBI thinks, and to what the state alleges. Karen says that she dropped off John O'Keefe outside of 34 Fairview and that he went into the house. Which is the Albert home. That's the home of Brian and Nicole Albert on 34 Fairview. And we should say they're hammered.
Yeah, there's a lot of alcohol. This is an alcohol-soaked story.
They're like people in their 40s. Some of them have kids. Some of them don't have kids. But they're partying.
They are. I mean, they still in many ways behave like they're still in high school together, right? They are clicky. They hang out together all the time. They seem to drink a lot. Some people classify the McCabe's and Alberts, which have been nicknamed the portmanteau McAlberts, as peaked in high school and never stopped thinking that they peaked. Like, that is the vibe here, right?
Oh.
Yeah. Tragic.
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Chapter 5: What are the ongoing civil suits related to this case?
So he actually is an elected official in town. Brian Albert is this kind of scary, big, beefy, former Marine cop. And Jen McCabe is like the queen of the town sports moms. And what about Karen? What's she an archetype of to you? Karen's an outsider. So Karen actually lived in a different community and she knew John from when she was in her early 20s. They had dated briefly.
And then when the pandemic started, she saw him on Facebook and they connected again and they started dating again. Karen was definitely a bit of an outsider for this group in terms of social status, in terms of professional status. She was a financial analyst at Fidelity. She was also a professor and very much steeped in the white collar world.
Right. And then John is sort of a hometown guy. I mean, he does have that sympathetic angle as well, where his sister had died and he had taken over the care of her two adolescent kids.
Yes. We heard it characterized this way in court. He sort of has this reputation as like a stand up guy. Although I think through this case, some things have been revealed about Karen and John's relationship that point to it not being a great relationship.
Yeah.
I've sort of seen some of their communications with each other via text, and there was tension there. John didn't like that Karen was taking his niece and nephew to Dunkin' Donuts. You know, she was really trying to be the soft one in their lives, and he didn't always like that. I mean, there's some of that stuff going on. It was a complicated situation.
They weren't her kids, but they also weren't his kids. And they're both very Boston, so they're both, or at least we know she is, yellers. There are some voicemails that came up in this case where Karen, after whatever happened, happened, called John something like 50 times and is like screaming at him and cursing at him.
These are voicemails that I very much recognize as being of a certain Boston type of communication. They don't seem to me particularly...
different than voicemails i've heard girlfriends of mine play on their phones i wouldn't leave one like it but right yeah you're you're a effing loser you're a loser a pervert basically from her telling you know they get to 34 fairview this is like the after party right okay we're gonna keep the party going and drink some more and she says oh it's all dark i don't know where we really invited in john you go in and check out what's going on and
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Chapter 6: What role does police power play in the public perception of the case?
So she's very hot under the collar.
I mean, they appear on video at the waterfall bar looking very affectionate, very friendly. And so there's no reason to believe that they were driving to the house with any kind of conflict between each other already there.
I think if you look under the hood of anyone's relationship or go through anyone's phone, and they've taken multiple phones of mine, like, yeah, I've argued with John. We argued that day. If that's evidence of murder, then I guess a lot of people have evidence that they're capable of murder on their cell phones.
I mean, I think for her, it was very much sparked by him going into the house, or so she thought, and never coming out and abandoning her. And it was freezing out. And it was like 10, 12-ish minutes. Timelines are a little bit wiggly and disputed in this case. But we know it was around that period of time that she texted him. She didn't hear from him. And she got pissed.
And she left, which, by the way, in my opinion, consistent with her personality to just be like, F this. I'm out of here. I mean, from what we sort of have seen in her other communications. So that's kind of the moment of truth, right? That's where the state alleges she was really mad at him for some reason.
They have a couple of theories they threw out in the two different trials that did not match up, but kind of have the same themes. And that she, in a fit of anger, pulled forward and then reversed her car and, I guess, clipped him and caused him to have this fatal injury. She goes home, back to John's house, not to her own house. She spends the night there. She wakes up on the couch.
It's like 5 o'clock-ish in the morning, and he's not there. And she absolutely freaks out. His niece is home. His nephew is not. But she absolutely freaks out, runs up, talks to the niece, and starts making phone calls. Who does she call? Well, notably, she calls Jen McCabe. She calls Brian Albert's sister-in-law, Nicole Albert's sister, Jen McCabe, who they were with the night before.
She and Jen didn't know each other well, but they had met up a few times and they had something in common. Karen Reed has MS and Crohn's disease, and I guess Jen also has MS. So they had talked about their medical conditions that they shared. You know, they weren't friends, but they were certainly friendly. And Karen knew that Jen was supposed to be at 34 Fairview the night before.
So she was calling Jen to say, where's John? Where do you think he is? So they drive to John's house.
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Chapter 7: How does the case reflect on women's experiences in the justice system?
They walk into the house and then they all leave John's house. He's not there, obviously. They begin driving around Canton and they end up in front of 34 Fairview, where Karen sees almost immediately John's body lying on the snow and
front of and to the left of the front door of the house near the street where there's a little flagpole like in some mulch around it so she immediately sees him goes flying out of the car notably leaves her cell phone on the back seat of the car the cell phone on which she was actually leaving a message for John in the moment so that was the discovery of John she and Carrie are trying to administer emergency aid Jen McCabe calls 9-1-1 eventually the cops arrive he's taken to the hospital
and declared dead at the hospital he wasn't there's a thing with hypothermia when they suspect hypothermia that somebody has to be warm and dead for them to be declared dead and he was cold he clearly was deceased at that point but very often they try to you know resuscitate somebody by warming them up first and then they're able to resuscitate them and they were not able to resuscitate john o'keefe
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And maybe she reversed to leave and hit him with the car. And John O'Keefe's phone did not move that night from the location where his body was found.
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Chapter 8: What are the broader cultural implications of the Karen Read case?
But there are a lot of other theories that Karen Reid's defense put forward as to what happened to John that night, and that Rebecca argues for as well. Now, we should say that none of the people Rebecca is going to talk about have been charged with a crime in connection with John O'Keefe's death.
So but meanwhile, all of this hubbub was going on. And the guys that you were describing before, the ones who were hosting the party, these good sons of Canton, Massachusetts, are just chilling in the house or maybe they're passed out. They don't even come outside.
Brian and Nicole Albert say they slept through. This huge police response and all the screaming happening in their front yard that they claim that they slept through it. They never came outside. It wasn't until Jen McCabe, when they were on the scene for a little bit, went into their house that they understood something happening outside. But they still didn't come out of the house.
Yes. You basically have this attractive, highly educated finance professional who's now accused of killing her cop boyfriend and leaving his body on another cop's lawn. Right. Right. So this is going to blow up in the Boston media. And she gets charged with manslaughter, motor vehicle homicide, leaving the scene of the personal injury or death.
She loses both of her jobs, her health insurance, her car and her life savings. She was hammered. She hit him on the front lawn. She was confused. And this is what happens. But it feels like she's getting overcharged.
Yes. In fact, she was upcharged. She was arrested twice. And it was the second time she was arrested that they upcharged her to murder. Her attorney, David Yannetti, at her first arraignment actually evoked the idea of a tragic accident in court. And whether or not that was because he didn't know all the details or because Karen was still confused about the details, that's unclear today.
But after that court appearance, he received a phone call at his office. There was a message waiting there for him that indicated something else may have happened. Okay, so tell us about that. Okay, so David Yannetti received a phone message at his office that he returned. And...
The person on the phone, which we now know is a man named Steve Scanlon, who was, again, a Canton resident who had a daughter who was the same age as somebody who was in the house. That's Brian and Nicole Albert's nephew, Colin Albert. He said that... He, in some form or fashion, was aware that John O'Keefe died inside the house.
There had been a fight that he had passed out, that he vomited a whole lot of times, and that that was the cause of his death, not a car crash outside the house.
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