Natalie Kitroeff

First of all, where did this meeting happen?

Like, set the scene for me.

Okay, so you're sitting down with him.

What's the conversation like?

Tell me about it.

And how do you do that?

So it sounds like this origin story is telling you this is a kid who maybe felt isolated in high school who found this hormone therapy as a way of escaping that and pursued it relentlessly.

And you can see him looking at this and.

as something that's paid off for him.

Obviously, now it's paying him a lot of actual money, but it also helped him, he would say, ascend.

You could see why he might be committed to getting other people the same benefits.

Okay, and just to return to what you were trying to get out of this conversation, an understanding of the extent to which this actually was an authentic pursuit for Clavicular, the extent to which he genuinely believes in the lifestyle that he is pitching to others.

What does this origin story tell you about that?

which are, what are his own stats?

Lucky you.

He's tracking this stuff.

So heavily medicated.

Does he have any concerns about like pumping a bajillion chemicals into his body?

And is he upset about that?

He's saying basically that he's willing to sacrifice sexual enjoyment for the goal of looking good, becoming more beautiful.