Natalie Kitroeff

Like just to name it was too awkward.

With everything that was happening with her, you know, the self-harm, was there a moment when, for example, you thought maybe there's something other than gender dysphoria going on?

Like maybe there are other mental health issues that cross your mind?

I generally not applied to this particular conversation.

Yeah, I mean, I felt like she was on the other end of this rope, and I just could not, like, reel her in.

And, like, I just couldn't get close enough to her.

And when all this happened in this bedroom, it was like she was right beside me.

Like...

The thing that I had been craving.

And it made sense now.

Like, that's why.

Like, she had to keep her distance because she couldn't be who she really was around us.

And she was protecting herself.

And I think when that guard was down, then she was, like, it was immediate.

Because my wife, after Allie lit up about the pronouns, what did you say?

You're like, all right, here's question two.

Yeah.

And then immediately I did say like, okay, do you want to

I don't even know what I called it.

I don't even know if I called it the right thing.