Natalie Kitroff

How exactly?

It's interesting.

You hear a lot that the Trump administration, you know, has tried to do this flood the zone approach of overwhelm your opponents with so many things that they just can't contend with them all.

But Vote is really advocating the opposite, it sounds like.

I mean, he is wanting a very deliberate plan to be executed.

And what has that rise actually looked like?

What's the manifestation of vote unleashed, unencumbered by Musk?

Daring them to vote against him.

So it sounds like in this case, Vote has basically gone to Congress and said, look, we're not going to spend this $5 billion in foreign aid that you've already appropriated.

Go ahead and challenge us on it.

Congress does not challenge the Trump administration on this.

And now he's waiting and wanting...

this watchdog office to bring a legal challenge because this is a way to get the Supreme Court to rule on the issue he cares most about, which is impoundment.

Basically, the ability of the president to not spend money that Congress has directed him to spend.

Coral, I want to zoom out and just ask you a question that I've been thinking of as we've been discussing votes aims.

Is there not a risk that all this work he's done to empower the executive could just make it even easier for the next president to do exactly what Biden did last time, overturn a bunch of this stuff and undo all of votes work?

Like, what's to stop a powerful Democratic president from just turning back on these spigots that he's turned off?

The picture that you've described here, Coral, is one where you have an incredibly meticulous planner motivated and empowered to carry out a pretty radical vision.

And I wonder if we consider what it would look like for Vote to carry this all the way

through, for his vision to be fully realized.