Natalie Kitroff

And now he's waiting and wanting...

this watchdog office to bring a legal challenge because this is a way to get the Supreme Court to rule on the issue he cares most about, which is impoundment.

Basically, the ability of the president to not spend money that Congress has directed him to spend.

Coral, I want to zoom out and just ask you a question that I've been thinking of as we've been discussing votes aims.

Is there not a risk that all this work he's done to empower the executive could just make it even easier for the next president to do exactly what Biden did last time, overturn a bunch of this stuff and undo all of votes work?

Like, what's to stop a powerful Democratic president from just turning back on these spigots that he's turned off?

The picture that you've described here, Coral, is one where you have an incredibly meticulous planner motivated and empowered to carry out a pretty radical vision.

And I wonder if we consider what it would look like for Vote to carry this all the way

through, for his vision to be fully realized.

How do the contours of the American government change in a world where he really implements his plan to the fullest?

I guess I'm wondering whether as vote progresses toward that goal, there's a world in which it starts to backfire on him.

As he and the administration move to fire thousands of workers, for example, during the shutdown to slash spending at this time, you'd expect to see a negative economic impact, right?

Right.

The government is one of the biggest employers in the country.

And you've told us Trump isn't as bought in as vote is on shrinking the government from a philosophical standpoint.

So if this plan becomes politically costly for Trump, might that lead to the president abandoning votes vision?

When the rubber hits the road.

We'll be right back.

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