Natalie Kitroweth

OK, but Jonathan, I think it's worth noting that just last week, Miller's strategy ran into something of a wall. This federal judge knocked down the executive order ending birthright citizenship. The judge said, I'm quoting here, I've been on the bench for over four decades. This is a blatantly unconstitutional order. Where were the lawyers when this decision was being made?

OK, but Jonathan, I think it's worth noting that just last week, Miller's strategy ran into something of a wall. This federal judge knocked down the executive order ending birthright citizenship. The judge said, I'm quoting here, I've been on the bench for over four decades. This is a blatantly unconstitutional order. Where were the lawyers when this decision was being made?

So I'm wondering, does this mirror the sloppiness of the Muslim ban in the first term? Does it raise questions for you about whether Miller's four years of preparation did actually put him in a better position to execute his vision?

So I'm wondering, does this mirror the sloppiness of the Muslim ban in the first term? Does it raise questions for you about whether Miller's four years of preparation did actually put him in a better position to execute his vision?

Is that part of the flood the zone strategy?

Is that part of the flood the zone strategy?

OK, we're just at the start, obviously, of this administration. But when I think about what the likelihood of Miller having success here long term is, I have to ask about something that you mentioned earlier, which is the potential for moderating forces within Trump world, people that oppose some of his agenda. Do those people still exist? Are those forces still there?

OK, we're just at the start, obviously, of this administration. But when I think about what the likelihood of Miller having success here long term is, I have to ask about something that you mentioned earlier, which is the potential for moderating forces within Trump world, people that oppose some of his agenda. Do those people still exist? Are those forces still there?

Donald Trump is the restraining force on Stephen Miller? Yeah. Really? How so?

Donald Trump is the restraining force on Stephen Miller? Yeah. Really? How so?

And how does Miller respond when Trump is not fully aligned with him, when they disagree?

And how does Miller respond when Trump is not fully aligned with him, when they disagree?

Jonathan, I have to say, just thinking about Miller's bio, that guy, the guy who kind of backs down from a fight, who concedes strategically, he's come a long way from the high schooler who, you know, was this strident ideological warrior who, in some cases, was starting fights to make a point, to go against the grain. He's a different person.

Jonathan, I have to say, just thinking about Miller's bio, that guy, the guy who kind of backs down from a fight, who concedes strategically, he's come a long way from the high schooler who, you know, was this strident ideological warrior who, in some cases, was starting fights to make a point, to go against the grain. He's a different person.

Jonathan, thank you so much.

Jonathan, thank you so much.

On Sunday, the immigration crackdown that Miller helped craft continued to take shape. The president of Colombia said that his country had turned away military planes carrying Colombian deportees. He said Colombia would not accept any deportation flights from the United States until the Trump administration created a process to treat Colombian migrants with, quote, "...dignity and respect."

On Sunday, the immigration crackdown that Miller helped craft continued to take shape. The president of Colombia said that his country had turned away military planes carrying Colombian deportees. He said Colombia would not accept any deportation flights from the United States until the Trump administration created a process to treat Colombian migrants with, quote, "...dignity and respect."

In response, Trump threatened a barrage of retaliatory measures against the country, including sanctions and 25% tariffs on all Colombian imports. Late Sunday night, the Colombian president, Gustavo Petro, backed down and agreed to let deportation flights into the country.

In response, Trump threatened a barrage of retaliatory measures against the country, including sanctions and 25% tariffs on all Colombian imports. Late Sunday night, the Colombian president, Gustavo Petro, backed down and agreed to let deportation flights into the country.