Natalie Morales
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Yes. In the state of Oregon, it is legal to interview a minor like that. Police, the fact that they didn't let her mom know that she was okay, Maggie Fryer was very upset about that. I mean, she said... You know, at the point when she made the 911 call to first alert police to the situation, she reported Ellie and Aaron as missing.
Yes. In the state of Oregon, it is legal to interview a minor like that. Police, the fact that they didn't let her mom know that she was okay, Maggie Fryer was very upset about that. I mean, she said... You know, at the point when she made the 911 call to first alert police to the situation, she reported Ellie and Aaron as missing.
And so as the day went on, she told us that nobody ever called to tell her that we at least have Ellie in custody. And Aliza Kaplan, who is Ellie's defense attorney now, believes it was excessive, that they allowed this interrogation to go on for 10 hours. You see Ellie a couple of times saying she's tired, she's yawning, she wants to lay down.
And so as the day went on, she told us that nobody ever called to tell her that we at least have Ellie in custody. And Aliza Kaplan, who is Ellie's defense attorney now, believes it was excessive, that they allowed this interrogation to go on for 10 hours. You see Ellie a couple of times saying she's tired, she's yawning, she wants to lay down.
And so as the day went on, she told us that nobody ever called to tell her that we at least have Ellie in custody. And Aliza Kaplan, who is Ellie's defense attorney now, believes it was excessive, that they allowed this interrogation to go on for 10 hours. You see Ellie a couple of times saying she's tired, she's yawning, she wants to lay down.
They, in fact, bring her a blanket and they put it on the floor. Kaplan points out that this is a 15-year-old who at one point even says, I don't want to talk, but then the police managed to get her to keep talking. So Kaplan says, you know, there are some there's some issues with the way she was interrogated, that this is just a child.
They, in fact, bring her a blanket and they put it on the floor. Kaplan points out that this is a 15-year-old who at one point even says, I don't want to talk, but then the police managed to get her to keep talking. So Kaplan says, you know, there are some there's some issues with the way she was interrogated, that this is just a child.
They, in fact, bring her a blanket and they put it on the floor. Kaplan points out that this is a 15-year-old who at one point even says, I don't want to talk, but then the police managed to get her to keep talking. So Kaplan says, you know, there are some there's some issues with the way she was interrogated, that this is just a child.
And, you know, she should have been given a little more time and perhaps had a representative or an attorney present when she was questioned.
And, you know, she should have been given a little more time and perhaps had a representative or an attorney present when she was questioned.
And, you know, she should have been given a little more time and perhaps had a representative or an attorney present when she was questioned.
She's trained to talk to children. I should point that out. Stephanie Jackson has all the right credentials to be doing that kind of questioning. The other thing we should point out Stephanie Jackson recognized early on that Ellie was lying through a lot of the interrogation. Ellie, from the start, when they asked her, what's your name? Is your name Ellie Fryer? She was like, no.
She's trained to talk to children. I should point that out. Stephanie Jackson has all the right credentials to be doing that kind of questioning. The other thing we should point out Stephanie Jackson recognized early on that Ellie was lying through a lot of the interrogation. Ellie, from the start, when they asked her, what's your name? Is your name Ellie Fryer? She was like, no.
She's trained to talk to children. I should point that out. Stephanie Jackson has all the right credentials to be doing that kind of questioning. The other thing we should point out Stephanie Jackson recognized early on that Ellie was lying through a lot of the interrogation. Ellie, from the start, when they asked her, what's your name? Is your name Ellie Fryer? She was like, no.
She said she was older than she actually was. She said she was 18. So she did lie a couple of times. So...
She said she was older than she actually was. She said she was 18. So she did lie a couple of times. So...
She said she was older than she actually was. She said she was 18. So she did lie a couple of times. So...
Well, you know, in the beginning, she pretended she had no idea what had happened and said she was just walking around with her friends and pretended she was concerned about her father. So she denied a lot in the beginning and she was lying from the start, according to the police. So Aliza Kaplan says, though, you can explain those lies away because here is a 15-year-old girl lying.
Well, you know, in the beginning, she pretended she had no idea what had happened and said she was just walking around with her friends and pretended she was concerned about her father. So she denied a lot in the beginning and she was lying from the start, according to the police. So Aliza Kaplan says, though, you can explain those lies away because here is a 15-year-old girl lying.
Well, you know, in the beginning, she pretended she had no idea what had happened and said she was just walking around with her friends and pretended she was concerned about her father. So she denied a lot in the beginning and she was lying from the start, according to the police. So Aliza Kaplan says, though, you can explain those lies away because here is a 15-year-old girl lying.