Natalie Winters

Someone who's not the equivalent of China's Secretary of Defense would be the Ministry of Defense, but someone who's like their spokesperson, like a Sean Parnell.

It's little things that to most people they maybe don't pick up on, but it's signal, not noise, and that's what we're about here in the war room.

But just even a few days, it was like three days before the big summit that we were discussing, China held its big sister cities summit, and they had Americans, 180 of them, showing up

from basically every state, people who are mayors, city commissioners, the type of people that they like to invest in at a very local and early stage.

So as they rise up through the political ranks in the United States, they have people that they consider assets.

And I think I've also seen this really going on with the farmland stuff.

A lot of these groups are now making overtures, not even to senators or members of Congress, but local random agriculture officials in Nebraska or Arkansas.

Of course, they're reporting that there's weird Chinese land ownership and maybe drones being launched into a...

a trailer park next to an Air Force base where they're running the B-2 bombers from.

So this is economic warfare, but it's that compounded with information warfare, legal warfare, right?

It's the three warfare's doctrine to a T. I think what Taiwan is doing right now is a real bright spot.

I think it's great that the VP spoke in the kind of EU parliament equivalent.

I think what they're talking about in terms of building up deterrence capabilities

that's maybe more the energy that I would think we would want to see here in the United States instead of this weird, just horrific logic train that is insulting to the intelligence of MAGA that, you know, because we can't be greedy, we need to help the regime that's

explicitly said that they want to kill us and replace us and are planning on infiltrating us every corner, every inch, every millimeter.

It's maddening to watch.

We've tracked this for so long and all these people who are trying to co-opt this issue to make a quick buck, they're playing with fire.

You can follow me, Natalie G. Winters, everywhere, nataliejwinters.substack.com.

Thank you, Steve, for having me.

It's always fun to talk about China with you.