Natalie

And I mean, again, I appreciate the honesty, but like that, they're going to be playing that tape with their therapist coming up.

How do you, how do you explain that one to the kids?

You know, but also, you know, obviously the kids conversation is very sensitive for people.

I think on both sides, but like, I think it's, you know, if, if, if someone's like struggling with, Hey, do I want to have kids?

I don't want to have kids.

I think sometimes as parents who enjoy being parents, they can be a little pushy.

when it comes to their positive experience.

And sometimes you don't want to do that.

On the flip side, though, I couldn't imagine what it would be like to be on the fence, whether I want to have kids or not, and have a parent being like, kind of regret it.

And then someone's like, they'll ruin your vacation.

I mean, I guess.

I don't know.

We had a really lovely time with River in Mexico.

Yeah.

Don't you put on some slack given that there's a wedding two weeks away?

But we all agree that regardless of whatever, like having kids for any couple is a non-negotiable topic.

You either want them or you don't.

And I think they're having a lot of great conversations on this show about this conversation, which is like, it's not something you hope people change, right?

Like, because you don't want to have that person resent this decision and things like that.

So they're being really honest about-