Natasha O'Brien

We see victims that don't even get their justice, don't even get to a court date.

And so that is the issue, exactly what, you know, exactly what Cuiva is saying, that they just think they can and there's nothing stopping them because...

we're not as a country, as a nation, as a government, we're not stopping them.

We're not providing enough example in our court of, you know, we're not saying that it's unacceptable.

We're not condemning it enough.

Yeah, it's a pretty complex issue.

But I think I just, in reality, just for one example, you know, there's been a number of us campaigning survivors to just to have counselling notes banned in court.

And it's still not, and the Minister for Justice doesn't think that's acceptable either.

And it's just ridiculous, you know, like there's no other country that still allows the victim's counselling notes to be used against them.

And these are just all these little things that are, you know, just continuing to almost put this blame on the victim that you shouldn't have walked down that street, you should have crossed the road, you shouldn't have worn that, you know, you shouldn't have been saying you deserved it, you shouldn't have been feeling that victim's guilt and survivor guilt in your private counselling session.

So these are all things that our government are constantly ignoring.

And I think as well, we see that the prisons are not, we don't have efficient space in prisons.

And we're seeing constantly that judges are under pressure to not give custodial sentences because there's no space in prisons.

we're not seeing enough rehabilitation in prisons and we're not seeing, you know, when there are suspended sentences, there's no real middle ground rehabilitation either.

So we're not dealing with violent perpetrators at all.

We're putting them away for a few years and we're not helping them in there to reform.

So it's really, it's so complex, like we're not doing enough.

Yeah, well, like Cuiva was saying earlier about this toxic masculinity, and I know

Oh, no, but it is.

There's definitely, we're all aware there's been dangerous narratives perpetrated, parroted online.