Natasha O'Brien

And I think it's just becoming more evident and it's materialising now and we're seeing it more and more, this blatant kind of, you know, I can... But, yeah, I think it comes from, I suppose...

it comes from men being told, like I say this now, men are being, we're telling men all the time they're the problem.

And so then you have these toxic, these toxic, you know, platforms online that are kind of latching onto that vulnerability and that insecurity that men are feeling unseen and misunderstood.

And then, and then it's just sweeping them right down that, you know, that black hole.

Yeah, exactly.

But yeah, and even Creeba was saying, like, it's women too.

Women can be just as bad.

And I think, like, you know, when we see the stat increase this year on the CSO report that there was an 8% increase in violent assaults against women, but there was also an increase in violent assaults against men.

So I think the core issue is violence.

how we deal with violent individuals as a society as men and women together and you know it's not just men versus women and I think with this when we have these gender wars I think it's just amplifying and pushing these men into these toxic kind of avenues where they feel like there's nowhere else for them to go