Natasha Singer

And his view is that the supply of student or recent grad programmers is now exceeding industry demand.

Nathan says he's very concerned about it.

I mean—

The fact that entry-level and junior-level positions are effectively being eliminated because companies are deciding that AI can do that work instead, that boggles my mind because how are you going to have senior developers if you get rid of all the junior developers?

His view is that AI is going to increasingly be used to code and displace entry-level software engineers and junior programmers.

And it wasn't just the money.

He wanted to be a builder, which is what the tech industry wants.

And he was very wistful that now the AIs are going to be the creators and humans are just going to be essentially the handmaidens that steer AI coding and then check whether the AI code that was produced is correct.

And, you know, that's like training a whole generation of kids to be chefs to cook from scratch and then saying to them, okay, you're going to just be in charge of cake mixes from now on.

You know, he is really interested in being a designer.

I've been investigating switching out of this field.

And he's thinking about if he cannot design software, what other careers are there where he could design things and that would be meaningful for him?

I took some really, really great architecture classes in undergrad.

And so he's thinking about maybe going to graduate school in architecture so that he can build things, which is the thing that he feels he's good at, he's talented, and he cares about.

And I think it might be a good time to pick up a secondary skill, whether that's through grad school program or even just starting an internship in a completely different field.

So I think the answer is both yes and no.

I think that computer science majors who graduated this year and last year are going to have a particularly hard time because many of them have not yet learned to use the AI coding tools that big tech companies now want software developers and software engineers to use.

So it's certainly conceivable that five years from now, when college computer science departments are teaching kids both the fundamentals of computer programming and then how to use these new coding tools, that computer science majors will be much more employable.

But I also think in the long term, it's really hard to know.

I think...