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Natasha Singer

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The Daily
Big Tech Told Kids to Code. The Jobs Didn’t Follow.

I've been investigating switching out of this field.

The Daily
Big Tech Told Kids to Code. The Jobs Didn’t Follow.

And he's thinking about if he cannot design software, what other careers are there where he could design things and that would be meaningful for him?

The Daily
Big Tech Told Kids to Code. The Jobs Didn’t Follow.

I took some really, really great architecture classes in undergrad.

The Daily
Big Tech Told Kids to Code. The Jobs Didn’t Follow.

And so he's thinking about maybe going to graduate school in architecture so that he can build things, which is the thing that he feels he's good at, he's talented, and he cares about.

The Daily
Big Tech Told Kids to Code. The Jobs Didn’t Follow.

And I think it might be a good time to pick up a secondary skill, whether that's through grad school program or even just starting an internship in a completely different field.

The Daily
Big Tech Told Kids to Code. The Jobs Didn’t Follow.

So I think the answer is both yes and no.

The Daily
Big Tech Told Kids to Code. The Jobs Didn’t Follow.

I think that computer science majors who graduated this year and last year are going to have a particularly hard time because many of them have not yet learned to use the AI coding tools that big tech companies now want software developers and software engineers to use.

The Daily
Big Tech Told Kids to Code. The Jobs Didn’t Follow.

So it's certainly conceivable that five years from now, when college computer science departments are teaching kids both the fundamentals of computer programming and then how to use these new coding tools, that computer science majors will be much more employable.

The Daily
Big Tech Told Kids to Code. The Jobs Didn’t Follow.

But I also think in the long term, it's really hard to know.

The Daily
Big Tech Told Kids to Code. The Jobs Didn’t Follow.

I think...

The Daily
Big Tech Told Kids to Code. The Jobs Didn’t Follow.

that this is completely true.

The Daily
Big Tech Told Kids to Code. The Jobs Didn’t Follow.

And also, I think it's sort of the moral of the story.

The Daily
Big Tech Told Kids to Code. The Jobs Didn’t Follow.

I'm working on a book right now about the decade-long push for computer science and now AI in schools.

The Daily
Big Tech Told Kids to Code. The Jobs Didn’t Follow.

And one of the things I've learned from doing historical research is that this is a pattern of the tech industry of pushing school reforms.

The Daily
Big Tech Told Kids to Code. The Jobs Didn’t Follow.

And it's always the latest hyped thing that's urgent for schools to teach.

The Daily
Big Tech Told Kids to Code. The Jobs Didn’t Follow.

And schools respond.

The Daily
Big Tech Told Kids to Code. The Jobs Didn’t Follow.

And we want schools to respond because we want kids to be able to use the technology of the day and we want kids to be able to learn the subjects that are the most important of the day and that help them navigate their worlds and get jobs.

The Daily
Big Tech Told Kids to Code. The Jobs Didn’t Follow.

But at the same time...

The Daily
Big Tech Told Kids to Code. The Jobs Didn’t Follow.

Tech companies have outsized influence in schools.

The Daily
Big Tech Told Kids to Code. The Jobs Didn’t Follow.

And we have bowed to tech industry education agendas in school without a lot of public discussion or independent scrutiny.