Nate Hagens

No.

I mean, a little bit, but it's mostly dependent on what people have done to their local ecosystem and improved it and steered it in a little bit better direction.

I want to get back to the science and actually what we can do about this, but let me ask you this human question.

Do you think it's possible in communities across our country, the United States, and broader, maybe easier abroad,

that people can view their wealth and their meaning and wake up in the morning and be excited about what they do to do something like you just described, to help regenerate the plants and the soils so that our community, our little region here, our watershed,

gets a little bit more water every year and is more resilient to times ahead instead of the individualistic, you know, cultural traps that we're in now.

Do you think that culturally that could happen with the humans alive today?

I think it is happening.

Actually, I think, Brett, the truth is that when I would stop and someone was in the ditch, I wouldn't be thinking, I better stop because I want him to help me in the future.

That would never enter my mind.

It's just an obvious, this is what you do.

This is what you do to help people.

It's not transactional at all at the core of how we respond to things.

So I had, I don't know if you watched the podcast I did with Tom Chi, but he followed that logic that, well, let me...

I just thought of this.

So climate and humans, the trilogy.

In the first act, climate actually caused humans because the climate warmed and stabilized.

And all of a sudden in seven areas around the planet, we just started to do sedentary agriculture and we changed everything and surplus and agricultural revolution.

And then because of that, we found fossil carbon and did all the things.

And here we are now.