Nate Hagens

in the late stage of act two but act three is humans as stewards and we need technology and the cultural wherewithal to scale it but we we probably know how to do that some of the things that you're talking about and suggesting way better than we did 30 or 40 years ago and

Or maybe not, I don't know.

But I mean, this is act three, right?

On humans and the biosphere.

I agree.

But I do not think in the time that we have that we will choose that as a society writ large.

But I think we can choose it as local groups and scale that.

Because what you're really talking about is a modern equivalent of the Civilian Conservation Corps from 100 years ago, informed by our constraints.

How could we...

Expand what you're doing in Boulder nationally.

What would be some of the steps where other community leaders, whether they work for the city or they have an ecology degree or not, but they're listening to this and they want to get started in their communities?

What recommendations would you have?

Actually, let me ask a clarifying question because I kind of skipped over your jaw-dropping statement of 50% increase in global biocapacity.

What's the standard deviation of that?

Just use the United States, for example.

Is pretty much every state at...

less at 50% less of what they could be producing or are some at 95% and others are at 5%?

You might not know the answer to that, but just what do you have to say?

And it's not just the carbon, as you've said.

It's the moisture and the soil and the species and the symbiosis.