Nate Hagens

And then that, at scale, if it's successful, among other things, the moisture being a big one, would also change the albedo, right?

So having done this work for decades, Brett, what do you think or what's your experience as the key areas that hold people back from getting more actively involved in initiatives like living systems management?

How many people do we, like, you could talk in your own experience in Colorado or just your general observation, do we need 50% in every community of people doing this or 2%?

I guess anyone is better than zero, but what are your thoughts on the momentum of making this happen, your land stewardship ideas?

Islands of coherence.

Yeah.

So I know you've done this research between Boulder and Longmont, and then you've...

got this land steward program that they're not volunteers, but they're people that are working on these things.

But what advice would you have for people in other communities that are like, holy crap, we could do this.

We should do this where I live in Bend, Oregon or Topeka, Kansas or upstate New York.

What would you recommend to people to do to just get that started?

Yeah, I will, for interest in time, get to some of my closing questions.

So if you could take off your forestry and living systems hat just for a moment and put on your human hat, what sort of recommendations do you have to our viewers and listeners to deal with all the things discussed on this podcast?

Or is it all up to politicians and leaders?

What's your advice?

You have no idea how that resonates with me on this day, in this week.

So I'll follow that with a question.

Have you always felt that way?

Or was there a time in your life that you went through some of a phase shift, recollection, remembrance of humans as part of the web of life?

Or were you that way when you were eight?