Nate Hagens

Additionally, he is the co-founder of multiple organizations, including the Rogue River Institute for Ecology and Economy, Veterans Green Jobs, and Community Energy Systems.

In this conversation, we explore why overemphasizing carbon accounting is

has obscured the second and equally important leg of global heating, land use change and soil degradation.

Brett breaks down why land use change accounts for over a third of excess carbon and how acknowledging this reveals a clearer, more manageable path towards local ecological regeneration and stability.

Most excitingly, Brett shares some of the ways he and others have put theory into practice over many decades through community-led stewardship initiatives that are restabilizing land and local water cycles.

Ultimately, Brett and I discuss...

why fully embodying all this will require us to complexify and deepen our relationship with the rest of nature and each other even as we simplify our economic and material throughput at the global level.

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This was a really inspiring conversation.

Please welcome Brett Kencairn.

Brett Concairn.

Nate Higgins.

Welcome at long last.

I was so glad I watched your Bioneers talk and that connected us and I've been reading some of your work and I think what you're working on may be at the heart of what I have in mind and the goal of this platform.

Thank you.

I'm looking forward to it.

Let me dive right in.

I'm going to read a quote, something that I saw in your work.

I quote, we cannot stabilize the climate, reverse the loss of species and protect place-based indigenous and traditional cultures without a global movement to regenerate the 50% plus of living system function that has been lost on this planet.