Nate Hagens

So let's start there.

Can you explain what this number is actually measuring and against what baseline and what do you mean by all that?

So I already have so many questions.

How related is that to the Gaia hypothesis?

And what happened to that 2 billion hectares?

So let's say that someone has a one-acre backyard, which most people don't, and it's all yard with some playground equipment and a barbecue grill.

and very few trees, some small ones and some bushes.

What you're saying is when the sun hits that one acre every year and then the winter comes and then the spring comes and every year there's a biological productivity that grows from that one acre.

And if we average that around the planet, we are 50% lower than historically.

And that that acre, if properly regenerated, or I don't know what the term you would use,

And with a plan in service of growing more biocapacity could on average grow 50% more than it does now.

Yeah, I want to get into that, but still on the historical arc.

So 10,000 years ago, we didn't know it at the time, but that was effectively the Garden of Eden, which has been slowly degraded with increasing acceleration of late.

But back then, we're living off the interest, all the humans that were alive then.

And it was way more than we needed.

So we never even thought about it.

But now we're living off the interest.

Latest data is 40% of the net primary productivity on the planet is diverted to human endeavors.

And historical data.

primary productivity in the form of fossil fuels.