Nate Hagens

So we are using a much greater amount than today's plus 50%.

We're using today's plus 1,000% in the form of ancient productivity in coal, oil, and natural gas, right?

The sad thing is, is in the last 10,000 years, those things you just mentioned were only 150, 200 years ago.

Personally have not watched a documentary on the Dust Bowl, and I'll put that on my list.

But if you could just briefly say, what did those millions of people do and how what were the ecological treatments that that resulted in the change?

So let me briefly summarize and ask you a question.

These farmers in other countries...

who are very poor are watching videos from some American ecologist regenerative farmers and making change where they live.

I have to ask you, is it the fact that they have, to use your words, close to nothing that sprung them into this direction?

Why is it that the United States is not taking the lead on some of these things and it's happening elsewhere in the world?

Or is that a true statement?

Was Vandana Shiva involved in that?

I'm sure there's...

There's a lot of truth in what you just said, but it's also at a broader cultural level, the soma and the distraction of people that have the modern version of bread and circuses, at least so far.

I think that's about to end.

So we don't feel the necessity and the agency anymore.

and the imagination and the drive to do some of these examples.

But we're going to have to, which is one of the reasons I was keen to have you on the program.

We can move as a species.

I'm not sure we're going to, but we can move from destructors and dominion towards regeneration and stewardship.