Nate Hagens

What's the difference between those?

And we have to face the biophysical reality and constraints that we have today.

So one would be regeneration for more life.

But a subset of that is regeneration, given that we've degraded the biosphere and we're headed for two to three degrees Celsius plus on the current trajectory.

And

the drying and multiple standard deviations of heat waves and droughts and floods and all those things.

So it's regeneration.

with that already in the pipeline should be the backdrop and our goal for planet-wide sort of response to all this.

It all makes so much sense to me.

not presumably you in your own where you live, you would know how to construct a living system to be regenerative given the constraints we have in your area code, yes?

And I know there are lone, eclectic wolves like you that are invisibly doing this work around our country and around the world.

And presumably in every area code and zip code, there might be people who know the answers on how to get this started.

Okay, now I have a lot of questions.

So you follow the podcast.

You know I'm concerned about that our economic system just hit an iceberg with what's unfolding in the Strait of Hormuz and complexity and energy supplies.

Let's just for now assume that all aside and assume that we're going to get back to business as usual from an economic standpoint.

What you're saying is even if that were true,

This living systems management for where we live in our watersheds, in our bioregions is going to be essential to make sure that we don't turn into desert and lose the ecological biocapacity that we have now in heading into a period when we're going to need more biocapacity in spades for many other reasons, right?

So we're not even including the energy, the carbon pulse,

economic debt, international globalization dependence aspects.