Nate Hagens

Well, there's two questions there.

One is, do we have the technical capacity and wherewithal to increase the planetary biocapacity by 50%?

You can guess the second question.

It's Ehrlichian.

If we increase the biocapacity with our current governance and value systems and cultural aspirations, we will eat it and somehow go further into ecological overshoot.

Or would we?

Well, that's a question for you.

Actually, I've thought about this this weekend, and let me take this moment to clarify that.

The podcast title was a nod to Joseph Tainer and that we complexify using energy.

The label The Great Simplification is talking about our economy and our debt and our throughput and that.

But you are right that from a wider boundary perspective, our economy and our –

all the SKUs in our supermarkets might simplify, but our relationship with the natural world and the web of life is going to hopefully re-complexify.

Yeah, good.

But talk more about that if you'd like.

So from time to time, people, when I meet them in person, they ask me, Nate, how would you answer your magic wand question?

And I think I would answer with just that.

Every single town and city in our nation would have some sort of a committee like that that worked 10 to 15 hours a week.

We learned and did stuff on the ground right now with people in the community to restore our ecological situation.

That makes so much sense to me.

And it's really kind of sad because especially the viewers of this program around the world.