Nate Hagens

That would never enter my mind.

It's just an obvious, this is what you do.

This is what you do to help people.

It's not transactional at all at the core of how we respond to things.

So I had, I don't know if you watched the podcast I did with Tom Chi, but he followed that logic that, well, let me...

I just thought of this.

So climate and humans, the trilogy.

In the first act, climate actually caused humans because the climate warmed and stabilized.

And all of a sudden in seven areas around the planet, we just started to do sedentary agriculture and we changed everything and surplus and agricultural revolution.

And then because of that, we found fossil carbon and did all the things.

And here we are now.

in the late stage of act two but act three is humans as stewards and we need technology and the cultural wherewithal to scale it but we we probably know how to do that some of the things that you're talking about and suggesting way better than we did 30 or 40 years ago and

Or maybe not, I don't know.

But I mean, this is act three, right?

On humans and the biosphere.

I agree.

But I do not think in the time that we have that we will choose that as a society writ large.

But I think we can choose it as local groups and scale that.

Because what you're really talking about is a modern equivalent of the Civilian Conservation Corps from 100 years ago, informed by our constraints.

How could we...