Nate Hagens

Expand what you're doing in Boulder nationally.

What would be some of the steps where other community leaders, whether they work for the city or they have an ecology degree or not, but they're listening to this and they want to get started in their communities?

What recommendations would you have?

Actually, let me ask a clarifying question because I kind of skipped over your jaw-dropping statement of 50% increase in global biocapacity.

What's the standard deviation of that?

Just use the United States, for example.

Is pretty much every state at...

less at 50% less of what they could be producing or are some at 95% and others are at 5%?

You might not know the answer to that, but just what do you have to say?

And it's not just the carbon, as you've said.

It's the moisture and the soil and the species and the symbiosis.

And then that, at scale, if it's successful, among other things, the moisture being a big one, would also change the albedo, right?

So having done this work for decades, Brett, what do you think or what's your experience as the key areas that hold people back from getting more actively involved in initiatives like living systems management?

How many people do we, like, you could talk in your own experience in Colorado or just your general observation, do we need 50% in every community of people doing this or 2%?

I guess anyone is better than zero, but what are your thoughts on the momentum of making this happen, your land stewardship ideas?

Islands of coherence.

Yeah.

So I know you've done this research between Boulder and Longmont, and then you've...

got this land steward program that they're not volunteers, but they're people that are working on these things.

But what advice would you have for people in other communities that are like, holy crap, we could do this.