Nate Hagens

You get the dopamine and the feeling for a second, but it's pretty much peaked at that moment.

And once the box arrives, you're going to need a new click to get the same feeling.

Yeah, please, please unpack that.

This is a big deal.

So I haven't heard it phrased that way before, and I've actually studied this concept from a neuroscience standpoint.

But what you're saying is it's the lack of the feeling of wanting, which should really be the goal.

And there's probably many ways to stop the wanting.

One way is to click and buy the thing.

That at least temporarily stops the wanting.

But what are some other ways to stop the wanting?

Yeah, spiritual practice.

Let me ask you this, and this will conclude the 30-minute intro speed round of nerdiness, though we may not be able to escape that, given your mind and mine.

Sorry, I can't help myself.

No, you're hard not to like because you're incredibly erudite, but you are kind of also like a seventh grader, and it's an interesting combination.

Hopefully I'll never grow up.

That's my challenge.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, I mean, it's clearly you're incredibly curious and passionate and obviously a lifelong learner on this stuff, as am I. On this stuff, though, I'm really a child and I'm just curious.

And I see two or three steps ahead how critical this all is to the coming cultural transition.

So I'm just trying to learn.