Nate Hagens

Um, and, and hopefully share my learning with, with others.

Let me ask you this, um, Andrew, um, do you believe that of course there will be ups and downs and chaos, uh, in the global, uh, economy and how nations interact and the population and our consumption standards and the environment and all those things.

But do you believe that there is this, um,

inevitable

upward sloping curve with humans and greater consciousness?

Like, is there this inevitable movement towards non-duality and awareness and growing up as a species?

Or is it just a fragile thing that we can just see the ephemeral glitter of it right now and we need to move in that direction?

Or is it just we're headed in that way no matter what?

I would like to believe and think that.

One of the things you're best known for is your work on darkness and dark retreats.

So in that realm, you argued, my understanding is that

you believe most people today suffer from a darkness deficit disorder.

And that doesn't mean just the people watching this podcast, but you mean actual darkness.

So can you tell us by what you mean by that?

And what are some of the symptoms of darkness deficit?

But what does it mean, darkness deficit?

Like I don't have enough darkness in my 24 hours?

Like a moth is the angle with the moon.

They fly like they're going somewhere and then they go into the flame.

Well, what about not only the lights, like the aerial view of the night sky is one thing, but what about in our bedroom?