Nate Hagens

We're on our little phone with the lights from that.

Is that also relevant?

I have so many thoughts.

So let me ask you this.

So what you were talking about earlier, you mentioned a bunch of words that were not Nirvana and then a bunch of other ones.

So is darkness the not?

Because there's nothing there and all the other things

And so this is – can you tie this into our dissatisfaction and hungry ghost consumptive fervor?

And what sort of a mass diagnosis can you give at the larger scale of society and the world?

So if you, like I had Anna Lemke on earlier this year, and she talked about dopamine addiction and how 14 days, but optimally 28 days for a technology fast can reset in the same way that you give up sugar and all of a sudden blueberries are sweet.

What you're saying is at a macro level higher than that, that if you reset dopamine,

In darkness for I don't know how long, but then it resets all of those things.

Yes.

Okay, so what does this mean in practice?

I mean, you say it's incredibly simple, that I believe, but I also think simple and difficult because if you stop...

with, it's the same as, you know, there's a dopamine withdrawal, uh, and, and other withdrawal.

And then you're faced with the hungry ghosts that have been driving your behavior with nowhere to go and no, no screens to distract you.

So what is the actual practice, uh, of a dark retreat and what have you experimented with?

What does a darkness retreat actually entail and how would someone listening or a beginner go about first starting their practice?

I got to be honest with you.