Nate Hagens

on a more fundamental human level.

So how do you think a dark practice or a dark retreat might aid in that shedding and re-humanization process?

Thomas Edison might be rolling in his grave.

So this has been both enjoyable and it's got me thinking.

And you know in the next two days I'm going to take those goggles on and give it a spin.

Dose it.

Yeah.

But let me just ask you this before I ask my closing questions that I ask all my guests.

What if someone who is a longtime watcher of this podcast and has learned a lot about climate change and energy depletion and geopolitics and biodiversity and evolutionary biology, they hear this conversation and they're like,

That's just woo.

Why is that relevant?

I don't think that.

I actually see the interconnectors between your story and mine.

But what would you say to someone that had that reaction?

Can you speculate for me, fast forward five or ten years, and there is this ego transcendence in a meaningful percentage of the population, whether through darkness practice or meditation or psychedelics or whatever?

LSD in the water system.

I think Leary had it, right?

Right.

Um, that reference I did understand.

Um, the, what could you see happening?