Nate Hagens

Like in a group of humans, if you have one or two of them, uh, being able to have this experience versus 90% of them, does that change the social interaction of that group?

Yes.

And have you seen that?

So thank you so much for this erudite whirlwind.

If you have a few more minutes, there are some standard questions I ask my guests.

This is so fun.

So what can someone listening to this episode do now, today, this week, or this month to generally help address the issues discussed in this podcast writ large, or is it all up to politicians and leaders?

Once again, for clarity, when we did the 4.9 seconds and I closed my eyes here, the viewers can't see, but I have two big industrial studio lamps here on my face.

So if I'm closing my eyes now, it's not true darkness.

So again, it's important to wear those goggles or be in a totally dark room or something like that.

And that matters, right?

Yes.

But for many of us, especially me, I'm asleep within two minutes of me laying down.

So the darkness retreat is pretty short.

And then I'm into dreamland.

So getting back to my closing questions, we have a lot of young people, surprisingly, that watch this platform.

What specific general advice, life advice do you have for young humans in their teens and 20s who become aware of the economic environmental constraints of the global economy?

And it may or may not have to do with meditation or darkness, just general considerate advice from a lifetime of experience.

If you could wave a magic wand and there was no personal recourse to your decision, what is one thing you would do to improve the future of humanity in the biosphere?

Yeah, a couple years ago, I would have pushed back on that answer, but I now understand it better because it's our inability to be in the present moment that contributes to the crisis that we're in, I think.