Nathalie Ketrouef

Just clearly an enormous amount of tradecraft went into this.

Just clearly an enormous amount of tradecraft went into this.

Okay, so once they have these drones trained up, they have them hidden, they're in the country, what's the next step?

Okay, so once they have these drones trained up, they have them hidden, they're in the country, what's the next step?

Yeah, I've seen these videos. We've published them. It really starts to look at this point like a movie, like some sort of scene from Mission Impossible or something. I mean, this moment is just remarkable to watch in real time.

Yeah, I've seen these videos. We've published them. It really starts to look at this point like a movie, like some sort of scene from Mission Impossible or something. I mean, this moment is just remarkable to watch in real time.

It's just remarkable to imagine these tiny, cheap little drones having that kind of an impact. But Mark, as you've said, we've seen drones being used in this conflict for a long time now. What's different about this time?

It's just remarkable to imagine these tiny, cheap little drones having that kind of an impact. But Mark, as you've said, we've seen drones being used in this conflict for a long time now. What's different about this time?

I also feel like there's another reason this attack is really important, and that's just the timing of it. It comes just a few months after Trump sat with Zelensky in the Oval Office and said Ukraine was not in a good position in its negotiations with Russia over peace, that it didn't have any cards.

I also feel like there's another reason this attack is really important, and that's just the timing of it. It comes just a few months after Trump sat with Zelensky in the Oval Office and said Ukraine was not in a good position in its negotiations with Russia over peace, that it didn't have any cards.

And now Zelensky and Ukraine have orchestrated this pretty advanced attack after a long stretch where Russia was dominating the battlefield, right? It's like he's saying, Zelensky's saying, no, wait, we actually do have some cards. Here they are. And so I'm wondering, Mark, how this affects the ongoing talks between Russia and Ukraine.

And now Zelensky and Ukraine have orchestrated this pretty advanced attack after a long stretch where Russia was dominating the battlefield, right? It's like he's saying, Zelensky's saying, no, wait, we actually do have some cards. Here they are. And so I'm wondering, Mark, how this affects the ongoing talks between Russia and Ukraine.

At the same time, Putin obviously has been really resistant to pressure this whole time. And I have to wonder whether even with the latest successes, this has any chance of working, of forcing him to the table in a really earnest way.

At the same time, Putin obviously has been really resistant to pressure this whole time. And I have to wonder whether even with the latest successes, this has any chance of working, of forcing him to the table in a really earnest way.

In other words, Operation Spider's Web might end up having more of an effect on how we think about and conduct warfare in general than it will have on this actual war.

In other words, Operation Spider's Web might end up having more of an effect on how we think about and conduct warfare in general than it will have on this actual war.

Mark, thanks for being here, and stay safe. Thank you. We'll be right back. Here's what else you need to know today. On Tuesday morning, Israeli soldiers opened fire near crowds of Palestinians who were walking toward a food distribution site in southern Gaza. The Red Cross said that 27 people were killed in the attack.

Mark, thanks for being here, and stay safe. Thank you. We'll be right back. Here's what else you need to know today. On Tuesday morning, Israeli soldiers opened fire near crowds of Palestinians who were walking toward a food distribution site in southern Gaza. The Red Cross said that 27 people were killed in the attack.

The Israeli military said it had fired near a few people who had strayed from the designated route to the site and who didn't respond to warning shots, saying they had, quote, "...posed a threat to soldiers." A senior administrator at a hospital a few miles from where the shootings took place said that many of the victims were children aged 10 to 13.

The Israeli military said it had fired near a few people who had strayed from the designated route to the site and who didn't respond to warning shots, saying they had, quote, "...posed a threat to soldiers." A senior administrator at a hospital a few miles from where the shootings took place said that many of the victims were children aged 10 to 13.