Nathan Barry

Yeah, it's definitely less than the higher salary, you know, than San Francisco or New York.

So I actually launched it back in 2013.

And it was kind of a side project, an effort there.

And it kind of floundered around for about $1,000, $2,000 a month for almost two years.

And then a friend of mine, Heaton Shaw, who's famous in the SaaS world, said like, dude, are you going to do something real with this or shut it down because this isn't working?

And so in October 2014, I decided, okay, let's take this seriously and put everything into it, shut down my other business.

And that's when things really started to take off.

He does not.

That was just a conversation as we were walking back from dinner.

That's so funny.

I am very grateful for him calling me out like that.

So there are two people that have, or we have two advisors who have shares in the company.

So all across the board, we don't do equity except in these two cases.

Who is that, Pat and Chris?

Yeah, so Pat Flynn, he came on as an advisor.

And then also a really good friend of mine, long-time advisor, Ryan Delk, who is responsible for growing Gumroad, the e-commerce company.

Yeah, so ConvertKit.com has the blog and everything else.

Sometimes I write at NathanBerry.com.

And that's got a lot of the stories of how we got profitable, all that other kind of thing.

And I'm just NathanBerry on Twitter.