Nathan Isaacs

We're getting ready to go.

We've taken our kids.

brainwashing them into love and jazz.

So we're taking them to a show here in a couple days.

That's awesome.

That's awesome.

You said many people are dying a slow death at work and that traditional notions of productivity are relics of the first industrial revolution.

How should organizations rethink productivity today, especially those pushing for speed, efficiency, and constant output?

And I was joking about myself, but maybe I'll include myself in our broader audience, which are designers.

I mean, they are creators.

They're designers, marketers, product leaders, even researchers are creative in how they're tackling their work.

And I'm just wondering, what would it look like for them to operationalize your framework, your move, think, rest framework?

When we've

we sort of made ourselves so efficient that I, I can't think of how I'm going to slow down to, to marinate those, those big ideas.

Right.

When, when there's a part of me that's, and I'm a former newspaper reporter where I was writing five stories a day, you know, like, I don't know how to slow down to, to really do that.

What, what should I or other people be thinking about when they, when, when they do this?

I love all that.

And I'm just reminded of a few things as you were talking about that.

This idea of short walks or walks where you can be doing the work.