Nathan Isaacs

And I think back to, I'm not going to remember his name for whatever reason, Apple's co-founder who was known for-

Not Tim.

Steve Jobs.

Steve Jobs.

They would go with the engineers and they would walk about the campus or whatever it might be and get the work done that way.

And I think that's great.

I also think, and I'm going to give myself a compliment, but that's not the intent here, but people like myself where we're

We're super efficient with our work, right?

We're pounding it out.

We're also super efficient with our time off, right?

We don't actually slow down even in those cases.

And I'm thinking about that.

And I do long distance bike riding.

So I'm like, oh, yeah, take...

Take a few days off, plan a 500-mile bike ride.

That's not really slowing down.

Yeah, well...

Also, but also my takeaway is like, you have to have some intent about all of this, what you're talking about is, and that might be my, one of my takeaways.

Yes, I do spend a lot of time just saying, oh, how did that 10 miles just go by?

It's because I was in that sort of meditative state, you know, just going down the straight road and just thinking about life and work and whatever it might be.