Nathan Isaacs

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

There's always a to-do list to come back and all that sort of stuff.

It's filtered out, right?

You've been able to kind of make sense of a lot of things that are going on and you got to quickly write down all that so you don't lose it or else you have to go out for another bike ride and remember.

Oh, shucks.

You kind of talked about this when you talked about starting figure eight and this point of like, I don't want to do this anymore.

I'm at a turning point here.

How can leaders recognize early signals of burnout within themselves or their teams before it becomes a crisis?

I'm also thinking, as I'm hearing you say that, as researchers,

Yeah, ask those questions.

Ask what may be behind this burnout, right?

It could be that they've plateaued.

Yep.

My kids, the school, you'll tell I don't approve of this, but they have this initiative they're starting this week where they want all the middle schoolers

in their seats on time when the bell rings instead of just in the hallways dragging in.

And that makes total sense, especially with the limited actual education time that they get.

But they're like, if you do this, we'll give you a reward at the end of the week.

If you don't, you get punished by going to silent study hall.

And I'm like, well, what is it about the first periods for all these classes?

Make them more interesting.