Neil Druckmann

Don't do that again.

Don't do that again.

Mm-hmm. Her approach to violence is different from Joel's. Where Joel is like, he's good at it, but he doesn't like it. He doesn't get any joy out of it. It's a very pragmatic solution to a horrible world. There's a thrill that Ellie has and she seeks it. It's why she wants to go on patrols.

Mm-hmm. Her approach to violence is different from Joel's. Where Joel is like, he's good at it, but he doesn't like it. He doesn't get any joy out of it. It's a very pragmatic solution to a horrible world. There's a thrill that Ellie has and she seeks it. It's why she wants to go on patrols.

It's why she, like, she could have a different job at Jackson, but she's purposefully going after putting herself in situations where she will have to use violence. Like, it's almost like there's something that's missing from her life if she doesn't have it.

It's why she, like, she could have a different job at Jackson, but she's purposefully going after putting herself in situations where she will have to use violence. Like, it's almost like there's something that's missing from her life if she doesn't have it.

Yeah, it's another way to get control in this unpredictable world. If you're more powerful, and again, this violence, this martial arts that she's studying, it allows her to have more power in this world and thereby have more control over her life.

Yeah, it's another way to get control in this unpredictable world. If you're more powerful, and again, this violence, this martial arts that she's studying, it allows her to have more power in this world and thereby have more control over her life.

I think last season we talked about how wide is humanity. In season one, a lot of it is just Joel and Ellie. And the fear Joel had in taking Ellie on is that, oh no, If I have these same feelings I've had before in my past, I have something to lose. And Jackson is this really special place. And, you know, as Craig is saying, maybe the only place that is this special.

I think last season we talked about how wide is humanity. In season one, a lot of it is just Joel and Ellie. And the fear Joel had in taking Ellie on is that, oh no, If I have these same feelings I've had before in my past, I have something to lose. And Jackson is this really special place. And, you know, as Craig is saying, maybe the only place that is this special.

Now there's something to lose. There's also something to fight for.

Now there's something to lose. There's also something to fight for.

Well...

Well...

You know, in the game, Dina talks about her relationship with Joel, but we actually never see it. So this was one of those changes we decided to make very early on, is like wanting to show that relationship. And through that relationship, we get to see how both of these characters feel about Ellie. And Joel is good at a few things, whether he knows it or not. He's good at surviving and killing.

You know, in the game, Dina talks about her relationship with Joel, but we actually never see it. So this was one of those changes we decided to make very early on, is like wanting to show that relationship. And through that relationship, we get to see how both of these characters feel about Ellie. And Joel is good at a few things, whether he knows it or not. He's good at surviving and killing.

He's good at fixing things and building things, which is maybe where he's most comfortable. But he's a good parent, like, with some dark elements mixed in there. Sure. But he can't help but, like, mentor this girl that is drawn to him because he is this figure in this community.

He's good at fixing things and building things, which is maybe where he's most comfortable. But he's a good parent, like, with some dark elements mixed in there. Sure. But he can't help but, like, mentor this girl that is drawn to him because he is this figure in this community.

But he probably has an ulterior motive, which is, like, Ellie won't talk to him, so he could find out how Ellie is doing through this other character who has become a really good friend to Ellie.

But he probably has an ulterior motive, which is, like, Ellie won't talk to him, so he could find out how Ellie is doing through this other character who has become a really good friend to Ellie.