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that kind of makes you a master of your own art and creation, but you get to watch, at least from a distance, people experiencing it and enjoying it.

And there's something about that I think that's different than sand therapy or even art therapy, which people enjoy, but there's something, there's that third thing that not only are they enjoying it, but they're being literally fed and being given nutrition.

I am, my listeners will tell you as a logician and a rationalist that there's been more than one time on this program where I've

audibly rolled my eyes and called people out on their science and, or, uh, you know, it's more that, uh, more, uh, I'm a, I'm a very, uh, good sound reasoning over reasons that sound good type guy.

So, um, I really, and I didn't know which way we were going to go.

I'm familiar with some of your stuff, not all of it, but I thought this could go either way, but I really,

I really enjoy and believe that the process you're talking about is not just, you know, therapeutic mumbo jumbo, but it sounds like it's wrapped in really good connective science.

So I appreciate you taking the time to come on today.

Again, deborahbordenauthor.com.

at Debra Borden.

And of course, you can go on Amazon or go even better to a local book dealer that you can open a door and say hello to somebody and buy her books, look at her books, and we'll have you back on.

I would love that.

Thanks so much, Debra, for taking the time.

Again, Debra Borden, she's kind of a Kung Fu master there with the culinary arts and therapy.

I love it.

We'll talk again

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