Neil Saavedra

She is a licensed author.

social worker and clinical social worker.

She is thoughtful, most definitely.

And she's a cook and she ties these things together, all of her love for writing and cooking and therapy.

You can find out more about her at deborahbordenauthor.com, deborahbordenauthor.com.

And of course, on Instagram, which I just followed, deborahborden, spelled D-E-B-R-A, and then Borden,

there, and you can find out what she's all about and find out more about her books and how they can help you and help connect with you.

Okay, so we are talking about two things that you hear.

The first one, when you talk about therapy through food, the first one is, well, I don't like to cook.

I think the...

The statement was, I haven't even taken the wrapper off my oven, which is... I've heard that.

Yeah, that's a little weird.

But, and the second one was what?

You know, I've always thought that metaphors are like metaphors are like.

have anything to go metaphors are like i i don't have a metaphor for metaphors i'm sorry uh go it's a cheap joke sorry about that no no like a go ahead a guide i want to help you

I'm teasing.

I've always loved going metaphors.

Anyways, I find I find your I'm going to keep saying it until everyone in the other room gets it.

So one thing I've noticed, I've done this program for over a decade and I speak to a lot of, you know, owners of restaurants and a lot of chefs.

Is that and I'll do this sometimes when I meet chefs and at restaurants and so on is breaking them down because there's similar types that like to get into certain things, whether it's law enforcement, whether it's chefing or any of these things.