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Nell Greenfield Boyce

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Fall foliage is still a mystery: Why do some leaves turn red?

Oh, but don't plants like light?

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Fall foliage is still a mystery: Why do some leaves turn red?

Yes, but just like with us, too much light can be harmful.

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Fall foliage is still a mystery: Why do some leaves turn red?

And so in the fall, it's cold, you've got chlorophyll going away, and the leaves end up with kind of an excess of light.

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Fall foliage is still a mystery: Why do some leaves turn red?

And that means you've got free radicals forming.

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Fall foliage is still a mystery: Why do some leaves turn red?

These are these destructive, unstable molecules.

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Fall foliage is still a mystery: Why do some leaves turn red?

And it turns out red pigments can mop those up, and they absorb some light.

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Fall foliage is still a mystery: Why do some leaves turn red?

I was talking to Suzanne Renner at Washington University in St.

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Fall foliage is still a mystery: Why do some leaves turn red?

Louis, and she told me that for decades, we have known that red pigments can protect against this extra light.

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Fall foliage is still a mystery: Why do some leaves turn red?

So photo protection, protection from light.

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Fall foliage is still a mystery: Why do some leaves turn red?

She told me all the plant physiologists are convinced this is a key thing.

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Fall foliage is still a mystery: Why do some leaves turn red?

So, OK, that is the question, right?

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Fall foliage is still a mystery: Why do some leaves turn red?

I mean, the idea is that the tree is busy scavenging all this nitrogen and nutrients to store them away for the winter.

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Fall foliage is still a mystery: Why do some leaves turn red?

And, you know, the red pigments, the chemical sunscreen may be protecting that chemical activity.

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Fall foliage is still a mystery: Why do some leaves turn red?

There are some.

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Fall foliage is still a mystery: Why do some leaves turn red?

Like, there's one study that looked at yellow mutants of three deciduous species that normally turn red.

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Fall foliage is still a mystery: Why do some leaves turn red?

Okay, so...

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Fall foliage is still a mystery: Why do some leaves turn red?

Yeah.

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Fall foliage is still a mystery: Why do some leaves turn red?

And when they shed their leaves, it turns out that those leaves had more nitrogen in them.

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Fall foliage is still a mystery: Why do some leaves turn red?

So the idea is maybe without the red pigments, the plants weren't able to recover that nitrogen and get it out as well as they would have normally.

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Fall foliage is still a mystery: Why do some leaves turn red?

And people have also noted that trees that live with nitrogen fixing bacteria.