Niall Donald

I mean, he was bankrolling Fergie and Andrew.

He was obviously getting these little tips off.

But, I mean, what, you know, is there something...

Is there an intelligent gathering?

It's not fully clear.

And look,

The final thing I'll say about this is like this stuff about Epstein that's not to do with the sex trafficking and that has brought down Peter Mantleson, for example, like it never would have come out.

It's only a very small chance that this did come out due to a sort of internal struggle between the Republicans and the Democrats.

God only knows what goes on in the real world at that level.

And this is a rare occasion when we have found it out.

But, you know, there must be so much more that we don't know.

It's a little bit of... Well, exactly.

Okay, so that's exactly where we're going to end it, right?

Because we're talking about private planes and, you know, billionaires and financiers.

And on the day we had that story up about Prince Andrew, we also had somebody at the absolute very end, other end of the spectrum.

It was a woman called Tina McDonagh who was convicted of, I suppose you'd have to describe it as...

you know, there really is the smallest level of criminality.

Now, I mean, one of the reasons, obviously, that it did become...

you know, people really paid attention to it because, of course, she is described, the court hears how she's a grandmother.

She's 35.