Niall Donald

like the first thing to say about it it is if so let's if we just put aside any moral question right so put that aside it's okay but which is not a problem for us generally but but it is it is really really good I mean that is the thing to say I mean as a piece of art it is really really compelling now we I interviewed Rex Ryan you've obviously interviewed him as well like Rex is is you know he's he's

middle class guy very artistic sort of type and you know you wouldn't believe that he could become Gerard Hutch but he is really really brilliant in it I have to say he doesn't do I mean we've seen he doesn't do kind of the parody version of of

No.

Of Jerry Hutch.

He doesn't lapse into that at all.

Like, he's not a big built guy or anything, Rex, but he actually manages to get over some of that sort of potential for violence, some of the anger that can be there.

But he also gets across...

a vulnerable story and somebody who's reflecting on where he came from and how he ended up where he was in various in terms of what he might feel as his successes and his failures so it's not told in a linear way it's not I did this and then I did that it's told more as a stream of consciousness where he

things come into his mind and he looks at that and he might jump forward ages or he might even jump back a bit.

I think it is really excellent in terms of capturing.

It's not so as we were just discussing with somebody after and they were saying, well, is that true that what happened?

Well, that's not really what it's doing, but it does capture some of his character and some of the things that define them.

So I think

On that level, it's brilliant.

Well, and of course they would say, well, that is also the real Gerard Hutch, as opposed to, you know... But anyway, like, I suppose...

yeah this is the big debate because it's not just a play if it had been just a play about say for example say an IRA guy in the 1970s who's dead 30 or 40 years and Rex Ryan had wrote done a one man play about him and maybe being in the troubles and being involved in terrorism or whatever it might be controversial but it probably wouldn't be that controversial

So, but this is hugely controversial.

Yeah.

I mean, there's no doubt about that.

So I suppose you ask, well, why is it controversial?