Niall Donald

So he'd be down to 15.

So that's what the defense was trying to do.

Yes, yeah.

Now, did they go into, like obviously he did go into his footballing career, which is interesting actually because I spoke to this about Nicola because we were researching him for the Brat Pack series that is just out now.

And even as he was being mentioned in the front of the papers, he was still being mentioned in the back of the papers playing football.

for a local team in Crumden.

You know, he's lining up in the team photos.

So he certainly was, you know, play football at a constant level.

They brought up all of that and of course about his own family circumstances.

Now, did he have anybody in there supporting him that you could see?

I mean, obviously you can't

tell when you're sitting in a court, but he hasn't had any visible support, has he?

But it does tick all the usual kind of things you hear.

Well, I mean, to be honest, sometimes you get glowing testimonials about, you know, he's in prison and he's done this with the Samaritans.

And, you know, really, that's what he's got to give, really.

He doesn't cause any notable problems as at this point.

Which again is an apology.

And, you know, the courts do take that into account when people...

Yeah, but they'll also take into account if it's short and if it's delivered at the last minute and so on.

Yeah, I mean, even I was in, obviously, for the Hennessy sentencing recently, the five guys, including Devin and Jason Jr., convicted of in connection with a torture attack.