Niall Donald

And they're much more fulsome apologies and much more commitment to, you know, much more lengthy sentences.

claims about turning over their lives and, you know, shame and these sort of words were all used.

Again, McGovern's apology is the bare bones.

So, I mean, McGovern, obviously, the judges go away with all this information.

And I mean, he remains, when he's in court, he doesn't really look the part in what I can, when I saw him in there.

I mean, he looks almost, he almost looks like a sort of, he looks like middle management, doesn't he?

Well, I mean,

Well, 1984, I mean, you know, are people sending a message with these types of books?

But 1984, of course, is a famous book written by George Orwell, who sort of predicted, he was predicting the future where we're all, I suppose, controlled by a government, a sinister government, really, aren't we?

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We'll come back to it, obviously, Eamon, when he is sentenced.

And, you know, it's very hard to predict these things automatically.

But I suppose you can see some of the contours about where boat people want to go.

Obviously, it could get live, but I think it's very unlikely.

And I think you'd be starting from somewhere in around 20 years, really.

And then with a bit of mitigation, for sure, maybe that'll come down.

But yeah, I'll read you a quote from 1984, where...

to finish off.