Niall Donald

Yeah.

Well, I mean, you're putting me in the position to be the devil's advocate, but I suppose that the issue would be that, well, I mean, so the issue would be that, you know, that you're allowing somebody to wash their reputation, I suppose, Gerard Hutch.

Well, again...

That is what people are saying, isn't it?

Yeah.

No, look, I suppose, see, have we ever quoted Oscar Wilde before?

I'm sure I do, all the time.

I'll quote this, right?

Right, go on.

There is no such thing as a moral or immoral book.

Books are well written or badly written.

That is all.

So like this is a broad sort of debate that's gone on since the beginning of writing about what is the moral position of art, I suppose.

Oscar Wilde says there's no moral position.

You tell a story, it's either good or bad.

Now other people...

Like Tolstoy, for example, I think said, well, you know, everything should have a moral purpose that you do every piece of art.

And it goes on and on.

Like it's just one of these constant debates that we don't have to get involved with.

So like, you know...